ok, i couldn't let it lie.
i showed my wife some of the scientific inaccuracies made by the wts over the years .
my wife was concerned that i have been reading apostate literature.
cantleave - very interesting discussion. I think it's great that you and your wife have such open communication. I can't really offer any meaningful comments since I'm too much of a sissy to have the big conversation with my wife (although I've made comments over time and she knows I don't really believe it anymore).
I will say that you will find it a relief to get off the BOE. Just that alone improved my attitude quite a bit! Good luck
interview with geraldo rivera starts about 3:00. .
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32639477#32639477?gt1=43001.
What?? LD - do you know what they are accused of? The kidnapping and raping of a young girl who they imprisoned for 18 years. It is alleged that Garrido is the father of the girls 2 children. I only say alleged because he hasn't yet been convicted but there's no doubt in my mind that he was guilty and his wife enabled and assisted him.
Prison is too good for folks like this. They don't need to be in the gene pool.
I haven't heard any news outlet mention any JW connection. The only thing I've seen so far is that he was handing out religious tracts. Despite the WTS claims, others do engage in "preaching".
Doesn't really matter what religion this sick perv was associated with. I hope the system doesn't let this girl down again and deals with these two.
could it be that the proximity of 2014 is at the heart of it?.
i have no contact with jw's - except on this board - but my wife does at times with her family.
imminent is the cry of the sky for the jw's it seems.. i recall the years leading up to 1975 with a lot of that sort of thing.
Sir82 - How did you keep a straight face??? LOL that's crazy! A friend of mine (obviously a conditional friend who would drop me at a moments notice if instructed by the WTS) conducts the WT. I spoke with him the week before his DC and he was lamenting the fact that he was going to tell his audience that this DC could be the last one this side of the big A but didn't get a chance. My response: that's ok, you can say it next year!
I have a feeling he's not going to be my friend much longer but I couldn't resist.
Seriously, I've been hearing this stuff ever since I can remember. Perhaps they need to look up imminent to see what it means? I don't know any scales in which close to 100 years is imminent.
how many times have we all seen that sign in the minstry?
also " no salesman" , " no harkers" etc.
in my congo it was the policy to ignore these completly, the poor people who just wanted to be left alone never had a chance.. i on the otherhand used to use it as an exhuse to fast forward on to the next house and finish up the ministry quicker.... what was your experiance?.
The WTS wrote a letter to the congregations basically informing everyone that if they took a door with a no trespassing sign they could be prosecuted and that the WTS would not stand behind them (what a shock, right). They said to write letters, make phone calls, etc. I know a few folks that were fined for trespassing after disregarding a no trespassing sign. The WT legal department was called (this happened maybe 6 months before the letter came out) and the legal department said this pioneer was on his own!
this morning the bastard that attacked my wife with the intention of raping her was sentenced to 25 years to life plus five years.
he must serve a minimum of 30 years.
thank god for the three strikes law (i know that some of the liberals on this board may not join me in my gratitude for the voters of california's wisdom in making that law).
Glad to hear that the justice system worked! I hope you guys will finally be able to heal.
most j.w.s i grew up around werent superstitious.
friday the 13th, walking under ladders and spilled salt were for the blind and the ignorant.
we had been set free and knew better.. to be sure, some j.w.s had their own special theocratic superstitions.
Absolutely! I had a very similar experience to you in that even though I was raised JW, my parents never really attributed good or bad things to the influence of spiritual beings other than to say "Satan's system" is doing this or that or "we need the New System". Otherwise, I was taught that to succeed, you need to work hard.
I think JWs are trained to be so skeptical of "organized religion" that once we realize that God doesn't have a "channel of communication" on earth, doubting his existence is the next logical step.
Miss your comments by the way!
the latest flip-flop (allbeit a minor one.).
the "wise instruction" (as described by the society) given is that sisters now have to wear head coverings when interpreting sign language public talks.. differs from the previous instructions that sisters didn't need to do so.. .
w02 7/15p.27 questions from readers.
bennyk brings up a good point. Aren't women in FS teaching others? Granted, they're teaching WT doctrine but still they are teaching the public. Shouldn't they be wearing head coverings?
I guess they'd rather have the rank & file talk about this than some of the other issues they'd rather avoid.
some good news.
life expectancy at all time high; death rates reach new low, new report showsu.s.
life expectancy reached nearly 78 years (77.9), and the age-adjusted death rate dropped to 760.3 deaths per 100,000 population, both records, according to the latest mortality statistics from the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc).. the report, deaths: preliminary data for 2007, was issued today by cdcs national center for health statistics.
Life is sure bad during these "critical times hard to deal with"
100 years ago, the life expectancy was in the 40s. Now, we've almost doubled it.
so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.
mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.
here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.
1 -The UN is NOT a modern day equilvent of Rome. If you want to compare a world powers of different eras, then compare the US to Rome. The UN is a political organization that doesn't really accomplish much of anything. The only reason it is important in this discussion is that WT has identified it as the wild beast of Revelation. So, by working closely with them and supporting their mission, they are going against their own theology which makes them a hypocrite. Paul appealed to the supreme power of his time in the empire he lived in. How is that even close to lobbying for democracy which is one of the OSCEs stated goals? It's already been stated that no one objects to them defending their ability to practice their religion in court. That is what Paul did.
2. Who cares what "Christendom" supports? That's not the subject here. But, their own theology says that it's ok to get involved in politics. Whether that is supported by scripture is irrelevant because they're not reviling others about getting involved politically while at the same time doing it themselves.
If the WT really thought they had Jehovah's backing, then why can't they let him take care of things? Why violate their own theology to get things done.
Also, if it's such a great thing, why isn't there a WT or Awake or KM article updating the average JW on the conference and why they are attending? Aren't they proud of their work?
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BTTT & marking for later.
